Can the Light In Your Office Make You Sleepy?

Tired man sitting in dimly lit office

Do you often feel sleepy or unproductive at work? Poor lighting in your office could be one of the culprits. Whether you have returned to your normal office setting or continue to work from home, it is important to think about the kind of lighting you are using in your office space.

In this Q & A, Mariana Figueiro, PhD, Professor in the Department of Population Health Science and Policy at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, and Director of the Light and Health Research Center at Mount Sinai, explains how light affects the brain and how exposure to daylight can improve your overall health and mood.

Could the light in my office be making me sleepy?

Yes, absolutely. An office that is too dark can make you feel like crawling back under your covers. That is because light has a profound impact on people.

First, it shifts the timing of your biological clock so that you are in synchrony with your watch. So, when you wake up and open your shades, the light that pours in helps your body confirm that it is seven in the morning and time to get ready for the day.

Second, light has a direct effect on the brain. Similar to a cup of coffee, light makes you more alert. Increasing the amount of light at any time of the day will make you perkier because of the cup-of-coffee effect of light.

During the daytime hours, if you are in a dark room or a low-light level room—like an office with no windows and inadequate lighting—you will tend to be sleepier. To counteract this, I recommend exposing yourself to bright light during the day to both maintain your body’s synchrony with your watch and for the cup-of-coffee effect of light which increases your alertness and makes you less sleepy.

What can I do to reduce fatigue caused by lighting?

While bright light is important during the day, you should avoid being in the direct view of the light source or the light bulb. This can cause eye strain or headaches. Northern exposures from windows will give you the most comfortable light because it provides an indirect light, or diffuse daylight, instead of direct sunlight. That bright, diffuse light is overall more comfortable.

So, to reduce fatigue, increase the amount of diffuse and ambient light and minimize direct pools of light or direct sunlight in the space.

I am a remote worker. What kind of light should I have in my home office?

During the daytime hours you want brighter amounts of light than what you probably have at home. We typically tend to have low-light levels at home, and that is appropriate for the evening hours. But during the daytime, when you’re working, I suggest adding two to four more table or floor lamps near you. This way you’re increasing the amount of ambient light and making your space brighter during the day.

If you can work near a window, specifically a northern exposure window that has daylight (not sunlight) coming in, that is the absolute best light source. It’s bright, it’s the right color, and it’s on at the right time. But if you can’t have daylight, for instance if you are working in a basement, I suggest you use table and floor lamps to brighten up your space.

How does exposure to daylight help regulate my circadian rhythm, or the sleep-wake cycle?

Daylight has a considerable amount of short wavelength or blue light, which is the light that we need to be synchronized with our biological clock. Also, we know that inadequate indoor lighting can make you feel sleepy and, daylight provides a lot of light. For example, on a bright sunny day you get about 50,000 to 100,000 lux [a standard measurement of the amount of light] of daylight, but indoors you probably get 200 to 300 lux reaching your eyes. So that gives you an idea of how much less light we’re getting indoors and how important it is to be exposed to daylight, not only to avoid dozing at work, but to keep your circadian rhythm in synch.

At the Light and Health Research Center, we just finished an interesting study related to this, using “smart” windows in a large building in Reston, Virginia. The smart windows that were installed in the building change the transmittance and the amount of light coming through the windows based on the heat and the sunlight hitting the window. For example, if there’s too much heat or sunlight coming in, the smart windows would reduce the transmittance of heat and light, making it cooler indoors and reducing sunlight coming into the space, which reduces eye strain or other discomfort. As a result, there is no need for window shades and the lights that come in are appropriate for stimulating your circadian system and keeping you alert.

For this study, we compared these “smart” windows to regular, untinted windows with shades. In just one week, we found that people who were exposed to the “smart” window slept better, had fewer feelings of anxiety and depression, and reported feeling more energetic. Daytime light will lead to better nighttime sleep. And when you sleep better, you simply feel better.

I have heard about blue light emitted by my electronic devices. Should I avoid blue light in the evening? Do blue light filters work?

Exposure to blue light is important to keep your circadian rhythm in sync, but too much of this light in the evening can disrupt sleep by suppressing the body’s production of the hormone melatonin. Triggered by darkness, the levels of melatonin in your body typically rise in the evening about a couple of hours prior to your normal bedtime— a signal to your body that it is time to sleep. While daylight is the largest source of blue light, it is also emitted, to a much lesser extent, by florescent lights, LED televisions (the newest sets), and cell phones, as well as computer and tablet screens.

Blue light filters work to a certain extent. We have done some work where we collected data with the iPad Night Shift, which automatically reduces blue light emissions in the evening, and we did see that there is a reduction in the impact on melatonin production, but it’s not perfect.

If you are looking at your cell phone for three hours before going to bed, even with a blue light filter, there will still be an effect on melatonin production. Albeit it’s going to be a smaller effect, but it’s not going to completely take away the problem. It’s better than nothing, so I do recommend using a blue light filter. More importantly, you should also dim down the screen, so that you get less light at your eyes.

Why Am I So Nervous About Going to the Doctor?

Woman anxiously sitting on exam table

If you worry about going to doctor’s appointments, you aren’t alone. Many people feel anxious about upcoming medical appointments and tests. This ‘scanxiety’ affects people of all ages and backgrounds.

It is perfectly normal to be anxious in a medical setting, according to Rachel Kaplan, LCSW, a clinical social worker at The Mount Sinai Hospital, who explains why you may feel uneasy and what you can do to counter those feelings.

Why do people get anxious about going to see the doctor?

There are almost as many reasons for being nervous as there are people who worry. For instance, you might anticipate that your doctor will criticize you for your weight, for smoking, or for another habit. Or you could be scared of needles, blood work, or some other medical test. You might dread hearing a certain diagnosis—or you might know your diagnosis but worry about the treatment plan. You might suspect the doctor still won’t know what’s going on or be reluctant to hear that you are better and will have to ‘fly free’ without regular medical oversight.

Sometimes people are concerned not just about the message, but about who is telling it. If you’re not thrilled with how your medical care has been handled in the past, you might be reluctant to go back. You might anticipate feeling rushed and not getting all the information you need. It is also possible you just don’t like a particular doctor or other health care provider.

Any—or all—of these reasons can leave you feeling disappointed, upset, frustrated, scared, annoyed, or just hopeless.

Sometimes people who are nervous about doctor visits walk in the door with sweaty palms or a knot in the pit of their stomach. Others try to treat ailments by themselves in hopes that they will never have to head into the exam room. Still others make appointments, but keep rescheduling for days, weeks, or even months.

Can ‘scanxiety’ affect how my body feels?

Absolutely. Sometimes, in the days or weeks before an appointment, you might find yourself feeling on edge, irritable, or you could have difficulty sleeping. When you actually get to the office, you might notice your muscles are tensing. It’s possible that you will start breathing quickly or taking shallow breaths. You could feel it in the pit of your stomach or in your bladder, with a sudden and urgent need to go to the bathroom. It might even raise your blood pressure. When your blood pressure goes up while you are in the doctor’s office, we use the term “white coat hypertension.” To repeat, all of this is perfectly normal.

Should I ignore these feelings?

No, don’t ignore your emotions. You should acknowledge how you are feeling, realize that it affects a lot of us, and tell yourself that it is okay to feel this way. This may sound simplistic, but paying attention to your emotions and then identifying and acknowledging your feelings can be very powerful. You can say out loud—to yourself or to someone you trust—that you’re feeling really worried about your upcoming appointment.

Some days, it may seem easier to just push your feelings aside and ignore them. It can be uncomfortable or even scary to think about your anxiety. But ignoring your emotions does not make them go away. It just means they will come out in some other way—such as irritability, muscle pain, headaches, and sleep problems.

What do I do about my anxiety?

Once you acknowledge what is going on, you can practice self-compassion. Give yourself permission to worry. If that’s hard to do, think about what you would say to a friend or family member if they were going through what you are experiencing. Often, we are much harder on ourselves than we are on others. So try to show the same patience, empathy, and nurturing to yourself that you would show to someone you care about.

Also, try to figure out what is causing your feelings. If, for instance, you feel uncomfortable with a particular doctor, consider switching to a different health care provider. If you are worried about the possibility of a needle prick, speak with someone in the office when you make your appointment to find out what you can expect. If it’s general anxiety, try some meditation and relaxation tricks to help you cope.

Finally, remember that anxiety is normal and self-care is very important. It’s helpful to remember this for now and in the future, if these issues come up again.

Three Simple Ways to Help Lower Your Anxiety

Young man practices deep breathing to lower anxiety

Everyone feels anxious now and then. Sometimes it’s a particular situation that makes your stomach clench, like visiting the doctor or meeting someone you don’t know; other times, you may experience a wave of anxiety for no particular reason.

There are some simple steps you can follow to relax. Rachel Kaplan, LCSW, a clinical social worker at The Mount Sinai Hospital, shares three tools you can use anywhere—without signaling your distress to everyone around you.

Breathe mindfully

You’ve probably heard that breathing can help you relax. But mindful breathing is more than just holding your breath.

What is mindfulness?

Mindfulness involves being aware of the moment and not judging yourself. Just notice how you feel and allow yourself to feel that way. Try not to force yourself to be relaxed as that can backfire and make you feel more stressed. You want to remind your body that you are safe

When you’re anxious, you tend to take shallow breaths. This is part of our ‘fight or fight’ response that kicks in when our brains sense a threat.  To counteract this and help relax the body, try a technique called belly—or diaphragmatic—breathing. Start by placing one hand on your chest and one on the lower stomach area. Take a deep breath, inhaling through your nose, for four counts. Hold your breath for three counts. Then exhale slowly, through your mouth, for six counts. Deep breathing helps to ground us and signals to our brains that we are safe, lowering our anxiety level.

As you breathe, watch to see which hand is rising and falling—you’ll want it to be the hand on the belly. Take another deep breath and imagine that you’re pushing air into that lower hand. Repeat this exercise 10 times.

Focus on your senses

Use all your senses to focus on small details of the here. This will help you ground yourself and will take your mind off your anxious thoughts.

Think about the small details of your surroundings: 

  • Start by naming five things you see around you. This could be the table you’re sitting at or your water bottle.
  • Name four things you can touch: your sweatshirt, hair, necklace, or shoes.
  • Acknowledge three things you hear, such as a car horn honking outside or the click-click of someone typing.
  • Name two things you can smell, maybe the remnants of last night’s dinner or your cat’s litter box.
  • Finally, acknowledge one thing you can taste.

By focusing on the exercise, you don’t have enough brain power to analyze and worry. Your concerns drift away, and you feel calmer.

Use your peripheral vision

This isn’t easy and requires concentration.

Start by looking straight ahead (not on a phone or computer screen) and pick one spot to stare at. It can be a mark on the wall, a doorknob, a tree branch—whatever jumps out at you. Focus your gaze on that spot for 5 to 10 seconds. Keep that focus, then widen your field of view without looking away from your focal point.

Notice what you see in your peripheral vision. Start on the right side and observe what you can see without moving your head or straying from your focal point. You may just see colors and movement or you may see objects. Do this for about 10 seconds. Then, for about 10 seconds, notice what you see on the left without looking away from your focal point.

By focusing on your peripheral vision, rather than your anxiety, your breathing will slow and your face muscles will relax. When you feel calmer, you can bring your attention back to the view straight in front of you.

My Child Is Anxious About Returning to School In Person. How Can I Help Them?

With the start of the new school year, many kids may be relieved to return to in-person learning. But others may feel more anxious.

In fact, experts at the Mount Sinai Adolescent Health Center anticipate that this transition may be especially challenging and anxiety-provoking.

Rachel Colon, LCSW, a social worker at the Center who treats young people ages 10-26, says that her case load has nearly doubled as adolescents seek help for anxiety and depression.

Rachel Colon, LCSW

“Young people are feeling a great deal of anxiety about returning to school,” she says. “They don’t know what they’re stepping into, who their friends are, and they’re nervous about the lack of predictability in an environment that has always been safe and provided routine.”

Ms. Colon offers some steps you can use to help your kids with the transition to in-person learning this school year:

  • Have lots of conversations with your kids; keep the lines of communication open.
  • Empathize with your children; let them know they are not alone if they feel anxious.
  • Reach out to your child’s school to ask what steps are being taken to familiarize students with their surroundings.
  • Look for signs of withdrawal, isolation, stomach aches, headaches, irritability. These can be signs of depression and/or anxiety.
  • If your child is headed to a new campus, or stepping up from middle school to high school, offer to take a walk to school before the first day of school.

Heading back to school can be stressful even in normal times. Over the years, the Mount Sinai Adolescent Heath Center has compiled a list of seven things for kids and adults to do to start the year off right. Click here to see them on the Center’s kid friendly blog.

One potential new issue this year is that kids may feel they have lost touch with their group of friends, or that they don’t belong, and masks, while a critical safety tool, may make things more difficult.

“Many kids are telling me they don’t have a friend group anymore. They don’t know how their classmates will look,” she says. “With the potential requirement of masks, this will likely compound social anxiety because it’s hard to read expressions when a person is masked. Are they happy or sad? Are they smiling at me? Though masks are a crucial safety tool right now, kids really need simple cues—like a broad smile—to maintain social relationships.”

The Mount Sinai Adolescent Health Center is a comprehensive, integrated health center that provides nonjudgmental and confidential care to young people ages 10-26 in New York City—all at no cost to patients, regardless of insurance or immigration status.

Should I Tell My Doctor About My Cannabis Use?

Cannabis joint in the hand

Now that New York and many other states around the country have decriminalized medicinal and recreational cannabis, some are interested in partaking. To those people, Yasmin Hurd, PhD, Director of the Addiction Institute of Mount Sinai, advises that marijuana is just like any other drug, even if it’s now legal.

Dr. Hurd is an internationally renowned expert on addiction and related psychiatric disorders who has been at the forefront of research into cannabinoid (CBD), a substance derived from the hemp plant that is now seen in many retail stores. In this Q & A, she explains what you need to know if you are heading to the cannabis dispensary and why disclosing marijuana use to your primary care physician is critical.

What advice do you have for those new to marijuana who are interested in partaking now that recreational use is legal?

You have to really be careful about where you obtain your cannabis. There are bad actors out there, and we have seen that some items which have been marketed as cannabis can actually contain products that are not. Recently, we have seen cannabis that has been laced with fentanyl, which is a highly potent and highly addictive opioid. So, the source from which you obtain your cannabis is critical. For now, the safest way to get marijuana in New York is to get a prescription from a physician and buy it in a state dispensary.

Should I tell my doctor that I am using marijuana? Why?

It is critical to tell your doctor if you are using any cannabis product. Like any drug, cannabis is broken down into various active chemicals that your body can use by liver enzymes. If you are taking any other pharmaceutical drugs, cannabis may interact with the same liver enzymes and either diminish or increase the activity beyond its intended use. So, your doctor absolutely has to know to avoid a potentially dangerous drug interaction.

One of the benefits of legalization is that there should not be any risk in being honest with your doctor about your cannabis use. The more honest that you can be, the better medical care you can receive.

Is it true that marijuana is non-addictive?

Many people don’t realize that you can become addicted to cannabis. In fact, the rate of diagnosis of “cannabis use disorder” is about 30 percent in people who frequently use the drug. That percentage is not much different from highly addictive drugs like cocaine and opioids even though cannabis is not as highly addictive.

The reason that we have such a high prevalence of cannabis use disorder being diagnosed is that a greater number of people use cannabis, so more people can convert into addiction. Often, the higher addiction is due to the higher potency of today’s cannabis.

What specifically is different about today’s marijuana?

Today’s recreational cannabis has a very high concentration of THC (short for delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), which is the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis. It has gone from approximately four percent THC to, in some products, nearly 24 percent. And certain products, even those obtained from dispensaries, could have 70 percent THC. This is much higher than 10 or 20 years ago.

The greater the THC concentration, the greater the potential impact on a user’s mental health, and the greater the potential to become addicted. For a safer, higher-quality product, look for cannabis that has a verified certificate of analysis—this indicates that the product has been thoroughly checked for contaminants, pesticides, and other harmful materials, and it allows you to view its THC levels as well as other ingredients.

Is hemp-based THC safer than cannabis-based THC?

In short, no. THC is the same if purified in a safe manner for human use, whether it is derived from hemp or cannabis. However, the amount of THC that can be produced from hemp is low—the plant contains less than .3 percent THC—, so most THC is obtained from cannabis.

It is important to understand that even though marijuana may be legal for recreational and medicinal purposes in New York, on the federal level it is still a Schedule 1 drug which means that it is considered to have no accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.

However, CBD—which is derived from hemp—is federally legal. There are some who try to get around cannabis’ federal status by selling a hemp-based THC product under the name ‘delta-8-THC.’ In the cannabis plant, it is delta-9-THC that causes the ‘high’ and, large concentrations of the substance can cause mental health issues. While there is not a lot known about delta-8-THC, we do know that it can cause euphoria, though milder than delta-9-THC.

Many companies are marketing delta-8-THC as the safer—and legal—option, but that is not true. For example, since the amount of THC in the hemp plant is low, some manufacturers try to forego the natural process of deriving the substance and use chemicals to artificially increase the amount of delta-8-THC. Additionally, some bad actor companies are faking their certificate of analysis to say that their product is delta-8-THC, when it turns out that it contains delta-9-THC and harmful materials like lead and heavy metals.

Are there any other drawbacks to frequent cannabis use?

In addition to potentially developing an addiction to cannabis, with use of highly potent cannabis products, we see mental health related problems. For example, issues with attention, memory, and cognition. Those are a side effect of chronic cannabis use, and even occasional use can impair motor issues. We also see the risk for psychosis, especially in certain younger people, when they use cannabis.

And, for any drug that is being consumed by smoking, you also incur the risk of pulmonary issues as smoking which is not good for your lungs.

Has marijuana been proven to alleviate any medical conditions?

There are certain synthetic THC products that have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for anti-nausea purposes to help increase the appetite of people going through chemotherapy. The FDA has also approved the use of CBD, in particular Epidiolex®, for two rare childhood forms of epilepsy.

Other than that, neither cannabis nor CBD have been approved for anything else. But there are a lot of clinical trials currently being done. So we’ll see how those pan out in a few years.

How does legalizing marijuana benefit the medical community?

Legalizing marijuana is a double-edged sword for the medical community. We want to make sure that people are healthy, and any time you take a drug that you most likely do not need that can have negative effects on mental health, that’s not great. But the legalization of marijuana makes it easier for patients to be honest with their doctors about their cannabis use, which overall gives patients better outcomes because a physician will know exactly what their patient is taking and can, therefore, guide their care in a much better way.

Also, for my fellow researchers, the fact that cannabis is no longer illegal in some states makes it easier for us to investigate what may be the benefits and adverse effects of its use for certain disorders. It also allows us to better guide physicians and their patients about how to use cannabis, if they choose to use cannabis.

Yasmin Hurd, PhD, is the Ward-Coleman Chair of Translational Neuroscience and the Director of the Addiction Institute at Mount Sinai. She is currently the principal investigator on a clinical trial of CBD for treating opioid use disorder, a neuroimaging study of CBD’s effects on the human brain, and a study looking at neurodevelopmental effects of cannabis and its epigenetic regulation.

Pandemic’s Toll on Mount Sinai Front-Line Staff Is Surveyed, and Addressed

Recharge rooms were created across the Health System in one of many initiatives informed by surveys of front-line staff.

Front-line staff who were already feeling burnout showed the most signs of mental distress during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, while those who fared best had an active social network and felt supported by their supervisors. These were among the many lessons learned by a team of Mount Sinai researchers based on two surveys of front-line Mount Sinai staff in 2020.

“The main takeaway is what most people would expect—that if you’re involved in health care during a pandemic, it’s going to take its toll,” says Jonathan Ripp, MD, MPH, Dean for Well-Being and Resilience and Chief Wellness Officer at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. “But beyond that, we were able to identify what types of things may put you at greater or lesser risk of these mental health outcomes, and inform how we can try to mitigate them.”

The results were used in real time to develop programs to help Mount Sinai staff handle the pressures of the pandemic, Dr. Ripp says, and they are being shared with other institutions through journal publications and a Well-Being Toolkit developed by the Office of Well-Being and Resilience.

The three mental health outcomes studied were depression, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorder related to the COVID-19 pandemic. Among the more than 3,000 front-line staff members who responded to an initial survey in April and May 2020, 39 percent screened positive for at least one of these outcomes. The most significant factor predicting mental health symptoms was the presence of pre-pandemic burnout, according to studies published by the Mount Sinai team in The Journal of Clinical Psychiatry and Chronic Stress.

At the start of the pandemic, Mount Sinai focused on meeting the basic needs of front-line staff, such as providing free or subsidized food onsite.

“This means that if you already felt exhausted, fatigued, and detached from your work, you were more likely to develop these mental health symptoms during the pandemic,” says investigator Lauren Peccoralo, MD, MPH, Senior Associate Dean for Faculty Well-Being and Development, and Associate Professor of Medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. The research team emphasized that burnout is distinct from other mental health issues in that it is more a function of the work environment, and can be remedied by strategies that support workers.

In the earliest days of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Office of Well-Being and Resilience assembled a group of researchers with backgrounds in psychology, psychiatry, survey design, and statistical analysis to examine its mental health consequences on the workforce, in an effort initiated by Dennis S. Charney, MD, Anne and Joel Ehrenkranz Dean, Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, and President for Academic Affairs, Mount Sinai Health System.

The group sent surveys to more than 6,000 physicians, nurses, social workers, chaplains, and other front-line staff at The Mount Sinai Hospital during the height of the pandemic’s first wave in April and May 2020 and again seven months later. In the first survey, more than 3,000 respondents answered questions from three diagnostic series: the General Anxiety Disorder 7, the Personal Health Questionnaire 8, and the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder checklist. In the self-screening for depression, for example, about 26 percent of respondents reported that on more than half the days of the week, they felt such symptoms as taking little interest or pleasure in doing things, feeling hopeless, losing their appetite, having trouble staying or falling asleep, or difficulty concentrating.

The survey also asked open-ended questions about the respondents’ concerns. “There were a lot of infection-related worries. People were worried about PPE, about infecting colleagues or bringing COVID-19 home to their family members,” says Jordyn Feingold, MD, an investigator in the study, who graduated from Icahn Mount Sinai in May 2020 and is now a psychiatry resident. “There were worries about basic needs like getting food at work, and existential worries like ‘When is this going to end?’ and ‘When is life going to return back to normal?’”

The aid facilitated by the research team fell into three categories: providing basic needs like food and the proper personal protective equipment (PPE) and other materials; providing up-to-date information through channels including web sites and system-wide email broadcasts; and creating well-being spaces and onsite mental health and peer support to reduce the stress experienced by health care workers.

A Second Survey Finds an Increase in Burnout

The surveys also asked questions related to resilience, Dr. Ripp says. Specific factors that were found to be protective against mental health symptoms included getting enough sleep and exercise, having social emotional support, not using substances to cope, having sufficient PPE, and feeling supported by hospital leadership and valued by supervisors.

Simply feeling heard was also important, Dr. Feingold says. “Whether or not we have it in our control to fix all of these things right away,” she says, “just validating the concerns and letting people know that they’re not experiencing this in isolation, I think was really powerful.”

In the second survey, conducted from November 2020 to January 2021, more than 1,600 responded and of those, 786 staff provided follow-up responses on their mental health and well-being. The results indicate that mental health symptoms have declined, but the prevalence of burnout has increased, Dr. Peccoralo says. “We are still analyzing the data, but one thought is that the traumatic situation has largely gone away, but the work hasn’t. We’re all still working really hard, maybe even harder than we have ever worked before,” she says. “So we have to think about how we can tell if we are pushing people too much, and what we can do about it.”

The surveys have served an important role in helping Mount Sinai take care of its own, and in advancing knowledge of the mental health consequences of responding to a pandemic, Dr. Ripp says.

The needs identified in the surveys have informed the development of new initiatives, including the launch of the Center for Stress, Resilience, and Personal Growth, says its Clinical and Research Director, Jonathan DePierro, PhD, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. The Center is an innovative service supporting the resilience and psychological health of all Mount Sinai faculty, staff, and trainees through a series of evidence-based resilience workshops, a resilience-promoting app available for download on Sinai Central, ongoing outreach efforts, and up to 14 treatment sessions in its confidential faculty practice.

“Let’s hope that it’s a very long time before something like this pandemic happens again, but should it happen, I think the lessons that we’ve learned can apply,” Dr. Ripp says. “And then of course we can share those lessons, so that other institutions that haven’t had the opportunity to study this trajectory can learn from our experience.”

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