Vaccines, Variants, and Measured Expectations—A Question and Answer Session with Judith A. Aberg, MD, a Leader in Infectious Diseases at Mount Sinai

Judith A. Aberg, MD
Several worrisome new variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have been detected within the United States since the COVID-19 vaccine rollout began in December, raising concerns about the nation’s ability to return to normal in 2021. Chief among these concerns is whether the national effort to vaccinate as many Americans as possible—and as quickly as possible—will be able to offset the virus’s enhanced ability to spread. At the heart of that question lies another: Will the authorized vaccines from Moderna, Inc., Pfizer/BioNTech, and Johnson & Johnson offer adequate protection against these new variants?
To answer these questions and more, Mount Sinai Today recently turned to Judith A. Aberg, MD, Dean of System Operations for Clinical Sciences, and Chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases, at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Dr. Aberg, the Dr. George Baehr Professor of Clinical Medicine, leads the Mount Sinai Health System’s COVID-19 treatment and vaccine clinical trial efforts.
“We have to be clear that we are in unknown territory,” she says. “Every day we are learning something new. Individuals must have a realistic view of the immediate future and continue doing what we know works best: get vaccinated, wear masks, and practice social distancing—even after they are fully vaccinated.”
Do the vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech protect us from the new variants?
Dr. Aberg: At this time no one has sufficient data to really provide us with a definitive answer. We have indications from both Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech that their vaccines produce enough effective antibodies to overcome the variants, but people may still become mildly ill from the variants although not severely ill. Both companies have also mentioned they are looking into making modifications to their vaccines, so there is the likelihood we will see them introduce booster shots in the coming months that may be more effective against new variants.
How effective is the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) vaccine that was just authorized by the Food and Drug Administration?
Dr. Aberg: I am very encouraged about the J&J vaccine, which is a single dose. We ran clinical trials at two of our hospitals, Mount Sinai Queens and Mount Sinai Brooklyn. In the United States, J&J found the vaccine was 72 percent effective. When they tested it in Brazil and South Africa—where new variants are widely circulating—the company found there were no deaths and it prevented people from developing severe disease. J&J is also looking into creating a booster dose and I imagine it will be very beneficial.
Will these variants prevent us from beating this pandemic?
Dr. Aberg: I suspect there are going to be more variants and we’re going to have to deal with them. Viruses want to live and they keep reproducing and mutating—whether it’s the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), which causes AIDS, or the influenza virus, which develops different strains. Each year when I get the flu vaccine I hope that I won’t get the flu. There is still a chance, but the flu vaccine probably prevents me from developing a severe case.
With SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, you have variants. And until we have more data on vaccine durability and efficacy against the variants we’re going to have to do what we’re doing now. Vaccinated individuals should still follow safe practices but can feel some reassurance. And for those who aren’t yet vaccinated, don’t delay in getting whichever vaccine becomes available to you.
Is it okay to mix vaccines for the first and second doses or take more than one vaccine?
Dr. Aberg: Do not mix vaccines. Finish two doses of the same vaccine or, for Johnson & Johnson, take only the single dose. We do not know if the antibody response you get to one vaccine will impair your immune response to the other vaccine. Each vaccine, even Moderna’s and Pfizer/BioNTech’s, which are based on the same mRNA technology, is different enough.
Should vaccinated individuals test their antibody levels to make sure they are protected?
Dr. Aberg: No, we do not advise this. It is not informative. First, the vast majority of commercial antibody tests do not measure the antibodies you get from vaccines—they measure the antibodies you get from having COVID-19. These commercial serology results are not designed to detect immune response to the vaccine. There are tests that look for antibodies against the N protein or nucleocapsid. This is not coded for by the vaccine and will only inform about prior infection—nothing about your response to the vaccine. Second, the vaccine manufacturers have not reported what the antibody levels should be if you were to get a test that detects the S protein or spike, which is what the vaccines make antibodies against. We only know that people who were vaccinated had tremendous efficacy against getting COVID-19, and it may be irrespective of what their antibody levels are. There is more to immunity than just antibody production.
Do you recommend COVID-19 vaccinations for individuals who are immune-compromised?
Dr. Aberg: We do not have enough data to tell patients with compromised immune systems or who are on chemotherapies whether or not the vaccines are going to be effective for them. We are not saying they shouldn’t get vaccinated, we just don’t have enough data to determine how much protection they would receive. At Mount Sinai, we are involved in clinical testing of a hyperimmune globulin therapy—a purified, highly concentrated product of antibodies derived from antibody-rich plasma of people who have been infected by COVID-19 and recovered—which may benefit this population whose immune systems are impaired and cannot produce antibodies.
What is your advice for individuals who have been fully vaccinated?
Dr. Aberg: These vaccines are a very important part of our prevention toolbox. We cannot rely on just one thing. We don’t want to set expectations that you’re not going to get COVID-19, but the vaccines decrease your chances of getting really sick or being hospitalized. So until the virus is under better control and we do not see such a high incidence anymore, we still need to be careful. Don’t engage in magical thinking. I hear people say, “Now that I’m vaccinated I can go and do this and that.” And I say, “No, not really.” Everything in moderation.



“I had COVID-19 in March 2020; my then-partner did not contract it from me, despite our close living quarters,” said Ellen M. Bonjorno, CPhT, a Pharmacy Technician at NYEE. “She and I were to be married in a big wedding on Memorial Day weekend, but were forced to change plans, and ended up being married on July 17, 2020, in a small outdoor ceremony attended by 12 of our local loved ones. I am especially happy to have my first dose of COVID-19 vaccine on board to help protect my (now) wife from ever becoming infected. We’re both over 60, so especially important to us. Hoping for a return to normalcy, and being able to hopefully take our previously planned European honeymoon in 2021.”
Jeanette Robles, Patient Coordinator in the Admitting Department at NYEE, said, “I got the vaccine for my family, some who have pre-existing conditions. We have been practicing social distancing since the pandemic started. I want to be able to hug my nieces someday soon.” She added: “I received the vaccine and I feel great. I’m not telling my family yet. Hopefully they will have an opportunity to get the vaccine soon. Then, I plan to tell them I already got the vaccine so they know how easy it was.”
Michele Miller, BSN, RN, CNOR, a Nurse Manager at NYEE, said, “As an essential health care provider, I felt it necessary to get the COVID-19 vaccine to help eradicate this virus and tackle this current deadly global health care crisis. We are fortunate enough to live in a country that uses evidenced-based science to develop ways to heal and protect the human race. The development of this vaccine is truly a remarkable scientific gift.”
Gene Harrison, Associate Director, Operations and Infrastructure Information Technology at NYEE, said, “As someone who works in health care, I believe it is critical that we set the example to show that these vaccines are safe and effective.”
Lauren Kaplan, AuD, CCC-A, a Pediatric Audiologist at the Ear Institute at NYEE said, “I decided to get the COVID-19 vaccine because I believe in the power of science. Although not an instant ticket back to pre-COVID ways of life, the vaccine is the first big step in that direction, and I want to be part of the solution. To me, the benefits outweigh the risks.” 


“I feel a sense of moral obligation to get vaccinated if it means I’ll be less likely to contribute to further spread of the disease,” said Jamie Piekarski, NP, who provides emergency psychiatric care to patients when they first enter Mount Sinai Beth Israel. Like many others, she decided to receive the vaccine in order to keep herself, her patients, and her family safe. She felt lucky to be among the first employees offered the vaccine. “This is our quickest way back to something close to normal.”
“Getting the vaccine is very emotional for me,” said Matthew Bai, MD, an emergency medicine doctor at Mount Sinai Queens, and an Assistant Professor of Emergency Medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. “We have all been dealing with the pandemic for what seems like an eternity, and every day going to work, COVID-19 is always in the back of your mind. This is a symbol, an actual step toward going back to a normal life.”
Deborah Dean, MD, FACEP, Director of Emergency Medicine, was the first Mount Sinai Brooklyn employee to receive the vaccine, and she was joined by ED Nursing Director Bobby Lynch and ED Administrative Director Sue Stefko, who also received the vaccine.
Ugo A. Ezenkwele, MD, chief of the Mount Sinai Queens Emergency Department and an Associate Professor of Emergency Medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine, said he and all of the staff were excited about the vaccine becoming available. He received the vaccine in order to help protect his colleagues and his family.
Amanda Bates, MD, an emergency medicine doctor at Mount Sinai Queens, was looking forward to receiving the vaccine as soon as it was offered. “I have been working in emergency rooms since the pandemic started, and it has been incredibly devastating for patients and their families. I have seen a lot of complications that come from COVID-19 and it’s not something I want for myself, my family, or my patients,” she said. “I trust the vaccine. It is new, but the science behind it isn’t new. I feel confident that any risks that come with a new vaccine are far less severe than the risks that come with getting COVID-19. I think it’s the right thing to do to protect yourself and your community.”
Jonathan Nover, RN, MBA, Senior Director of Nursing in the Mount Sinai Queens Emergency Department, added: “I want to set an example for my team and my family, and I want to put all this behind us. Vaccines are safe, they are proven, and we need to move our lives forward. I feel very lucky and blessed for this opportunity, and I feel happy to let my staff, my family, and my friends know I was able to get the vaccine. I feel really proud of that.”
Mateow Espinosa, a Care Team Assistant and Scribe at Mount Sinai Beth Israel, said: “A lot of people around me are hesitant to get the vaccine. I feel like it is necessary for me to take the vaccine as a way to educate the people around me. It is also important for me to keep myself and family safe.”
Luis Coello, a security officer at Mount Sinai Beth Israel: “I decided to take the vaccine because I do not want to get COVID-19, and I want to keep my family safe.”
Young Lee, MD, ICU Medical Director at Mount Sinai Beth Israel and an Assistant Professor of Medicine (Pulmonary, Critical Care and Sleep Medicine) at the Icahn School of Medicine: “It was much less painful than the flu vaccine. I decided to take this vaccine to protect myself, as well as my patients and my family.”
Farah Ali, a physician assistant in an emergency department at Mount Sinai Beth Israel: “What a whirlwind, brilliant year for medical science. It is surreal, a little scary, but overall exciting to be among the very first to get this vaccine. I got the vaccine for my Gramma and Grampa.”
Crystal Toribo, PharmD, a pharmacy resident at Mount Sinai Beth Israel: “The side effects of this vaccine are very similar to the flu shot. For anyone who is hesitant to take it, please know that there are so many people here in the hospital to speak to about it, so always feel free to ask questions about side effects and safety. To me, it is important that I get vaccinated so I can protect others, myself, and my family members.”


